Interviewer: What are your ideas about leaders and leadership in social movements? Aaron: In the freedom movement today? Interviewer: Back then and today. Aaron: Well, I think yesterday the movement was more intense than it is now and I think it was more I’d say revolutionary than it is now. The ideas that we were expounding back during the seventies, you know, the Black Panther Party, MAYO, the John Brown Revolutionary League—they not being expounded like they was back then. These days, in my opinion, it’s more in line with operating within the existing order. Back then, we was talking about tearing this order up and establishing a new order. Most of the people involved in the movement today is not dealing with that. They dealing with elections and operate within the system. That’s one of the differences I see from the things we was doing back then and what people doing now. You don’t hear the word capitalism no more or communism or socialism as you did back then. At least I don’t. Closest thing I see to that kind of talk is Bernie Sanders outside of some of these few communist organizations that are around putting out a newspaper. That’s one of the things I see—I don’t see the militancy that existed back then. I don’t see the anti-capitalist thinking back then. I don’t see that. I see everything now wants to operate within the system. Ain’t talking about no revolution. See, we was talking about a revolution. I don’t see nobody running around here talking about no revolution too much. They talk about making a change here and there but not talking about no fundamental change. Interviewer: What are your ideas about the Black Lives Matter movement? Aaron: My ideas about the Black Lives Matter movement? They’re a necessary movement initiated out of a need to stop the police murder and brutality of black people. I think they’re a very necessary movement. A very good movement. One that is all to the good. All to the good in my opinion.