Wisely: Can you tell us the connection between the low riders and the Brown Berets? Was there a connection there or was it just coincidence? Hernandez: It was just a coincidence because when we met Raul we were real strong into the low riding thing. We took that low riding seriously. We had a car club and board members. We even got the organization chartered as a non-profit organization. Arroyos did that for us. So, it came hand in hand. We kept hearing Ramon and Raul talk about charters and non-profit organizations, about grants, and- I get a grant for my low rider show. I get a $50,000 grant from the city of Odessa. All of that because I learned it from these guys. I did not learn it from school. When I was a low rider we had swastikas on our cars on the back windows and had a big German skull with a German helmet on the back of the car. We got pulled over all the time and got harassed because of that. But you know what I was never educated. When we went to school all they told us was “don’t speak Spanish, do your homework, take those dark glasses off.” Nobody ever taught us about Hitler and what happened. We were ignorant to all of that and here we are a bunch of low riders with swastikas and the helmets. We thought they looked cool. Shit, there was a reporter for a TV station, he was a Hispanic guy, and he took film of us and sent it out to the APS or API or whatever you call it. He sent it to other TV stations. He got fired because of it. I do not know what happened to that footage. That low riding was real, real deep. It is a big movement, huge.